The council are forcing us to live in a council house?
We live in our own mobile home on our own land.
We don't want to live in a house and we want to be close to nature with our horses, chickens, pet pigs etc.
The cost of rent is mad, the cost of a mortgage is mad.
New Forest Distric Council will take us back to court if we don't move into the council house.
What would you do?
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Answers:
It doesnt seem fair if you own the land.
Time to invest in a solicitor me thinks.
Or at least have a chat with the Citizens Advice Bureau.
Good luck.
Nothing wrong with council housing.
Don't be a prat and take them up on the offer.
Stop being a gypsy and trying to avoid paying council tax and bills- close to nature what a laugh !
I think you should go to the Citizens Advice Burea, they should be able to tell you everything you need to know.
By the way, I'd love to live in a mobile home, that would be awesome.
join the lottory!! play the daily play! theres no harm of trying... and you migth win. if you did give money!!!!!!
pikey
If they have refused you planning permission for the land then there is nothing you can do to stay there. sell the land and buy somewhere that already has a farm and a house.
I don't know, but you've got my full support in all that you do. I hope you get to stay in the home you belong in and love.
Interesting case! What are the reasons for denying planning permission? You say the land is yours so at least you are not trespassing.. Are you not allowed to build at all or would it be the case that if you changed the type of building you would be allowed permission? I would get a good solicitor with experience in housing issues. You may well have a case for the courts. It is hard to say as I do not know why the permission was not granted.
As regards B&B, the council is no longer allowed to place families on B&B accommodation for long periods of time. It would have to rehouse you very quickly although this would likely be in temporary accommodation. How long it would then take to be rehoused would depend on available stock and your needs.
Should all else fail, I would assume the land is worth a fair amount. You could always sell and buy a plot with a house already on it. Sometimes we have to compromise but I hope you get to stay in your land.
Buy guns , and lots of food . Keep shouting Ruby Ridge .
they should remember that ..
How about selling the land and buying another piece where you can get permission to live on it?
Just a thought. It seems harsh. I don't understand why they refuse permission, but I know it happens here in Hertforeshire where people own farms but cannot live on them.
You need a good lawyer. There has to be a loophole somewhere or maybe you can use the law of equity in your favour. Good luck.
The issue is that planning permission needed to be granted for a mobile home as it is a dwelling. While I understand this is your land, one still cannot do exactly what one likes on such land, otherwise where will things end? Why dont you apply to build something permanent instead? Or is that something you have considered but can't get permission for? The UK is far too small to allow anyone to plonk a caravan on a bit of land and let them live there, controls have to be in place
That's terrible, I'm sorry it's come to this for you. Well done on holding out for so long
There's a link below with advice for travellers and eviction. I know you're not one, but the same principles should apply to the Council's eviction procedures. Forgive me if I cut and paste from it liberally:
Local Authorities have been advised that their powers "should be used in a humane and compassionate way, taking account of the rights and needs of the Gypsies and Travellers concerned, the owners of the land in question and the wider community whose lives may be affected by the situation."
They are obliged to take account of provision of education for school-age children.
In a test case, the judge decided that "in addition to these statutory considerations, there were ‘considerations of common humanity, none of which can be properly ignored when dealing with one of the most fundamental of human needs, the need for shelter with at least a modicum of security.’" In this case, your accomodation is currently as secure as it could be (apart from the Council's efforts to move you off it!) Forcing you into a B&B, or a house that you cannot afford to rent, would leave you in a much less secure position, as it could ultimately leave your family homeless.
Also: "In a planning enforcement case that was heard soon afterwards, the court held that in deciding whether or not to take enforcement action, local authorities should have regard to the personal circumstances of the Gypsies or Travellers and that such considerations should hold equal weight when considering breaches of planning controls."
It also states that "‘toleration’ should be considered if nuisance or annoyance (from encampments) is not being caused"
Sounds like there's a good deal of precedence for your personal circumstances to taken into full account in deciding whether you are allowed to continue living your low-impact lifestyle. So long as you're law-abiding and not causing a public nuisance. Get a good lawyer, and seek advice from the CAB, as others have said. Good luck!
Once again, the Planners fail to see outside the box that they create for themselves. They are trying to apply rules designed for the way 99% of the population live, to that minority that choose to live differently.
I do appeciate how you feel about living the good life but as you explained earlier you have a son who has CP so perhaps you ought to look towards your future in respect of looking after him.
You say that you own your own land, surely that would mean that you could still keep the horses and enjoy nature even if you did live in a council house.
Could you not sell the land or even build your own home on this land supposing that you could get planning permission. Whatever you do with the land it will always be there for you to fall back on if things get really sticky financially.
Are you conerned about the old fashioned stigma of living in a council house. If that is so it is just blind foolishness, as living in council property these days can be a way of stepping onto the property ladder. After you have lived in a council house for several years you will get the chance to buy as long as you have been a good tenant. Then you can progress slowly up the property chain, and by buying and selling you could end up with a house that you have always wanted. Not necessarily a big house but a home for you and your family to enjoy.
Think on this as well, there are many young people out there who would be only too pleased to be offered a council house to live in. You do not have to accept the first one offered if you have valid reasons to dislike it for one reason or another. Wrong location, not an area you would choose yourself, too far away from any amentities, such as schools, bus route, no easy access to shops or doctors.
Now here is a suggestion: Take a blank peice of paper and draw a line right across it. Then at the top of the line write the word positives and underneath the line write the word negatives.
Now take time and think of the postives of living in a council house and write each one down so you end up with a list of positives . Do the same for the negatives of you living in a council house. At the end of the excersie you tot up the points on each list and see what comes out tops. It sounds so simple but it is not I can assure you.
You will in all probablity do this excersice several times as you will always thinks of other things to add to each list.
Like I said get the grey sells working and write your thoughts down on that piece of paper. It woud'nt be too long before you arrive at the right answer.
Oh and another thing do you really want to go to court with all it's that it entails. I am not advocating that you should not stick up for your rights, but why are the council wanting you to take you to court? I suspect it is because of the growing needs of your family and your accommodation is not meeting those needs.
I do hope you find that you can make the choice that is right for everyone. I do not envy you one little bit, but is has to done sooner rather than later.
Sorry to play the devils advocate here but if it helps solve your problem so beit.
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We don't want to live in a house and we want to be close to nature with our horses, chickens, pet pigs etc.
The cost of rent is mad, the cost of a mortgage is mad.
New Forest Distric Council will take us back to court if we don't move into the council house.
What would you do?
http://archive.thisisdorset.net/2005/1/1.
Answers:
It doesnt seem fair if you own the land.
Time to invest in a solicitor me thinks.
Or at least have a chat with the Citizens Advice Bureau.
Good luck.
Nothing wrong with council housing.
Don't be a prat and take them up on the offer.
Stop being a gypsy and trying to avoid paying council tax and bills- close to nature what a laugh !
I think you should go to the Citizens Advice Burea, they should be able to tell you everything you need to know.
By the way, I'd love to live in a mobile home, that would be awesome.
join the lottory!! play the daily play! theres no harm of trying... and you migth win. if you did give money!!!!!!
pikey
If they have refused you planning permission for the land then there is nothing you can do to stay there. sell the land and buy somewhere that already has a farm and a house.
I don't know, but you've got my full support in all that you do. I hope you get to stay in the home you belong in and love.
Interesting case! What are the reasons for denying planning permission? You say the land is yours so at least you are not trespassing.. Are you not allowed to build at all or would it be the case that if you changed the type of building you would be allowed permission? I would get a good solicitor with experience in housing issues. You may well have a case for the courts. It is hard to say as I do not know why the permission was not granted.
As regards B&B, the council is no longer allowed to place families on B&B accommodation for long periods of time. It would have to rehouse you very quickly although this would likely be in temporary accommodation. How long it would then take to be rehoused would depend on available stock and your needs.
Should all else fail, I would assume the land is worth a fair amount. You could always sell and buy a plot with a house already on it. Sometimes we have to compromise but I hope you get to stay in your land.
Buy guns , and lots of food . Keep shouting Ruby Ridge .
they should remember that ..
How about selling the land and buying another piece where you can get permission to live on it?
Just a thought. It seems harsh. I don't understand why they refuse permission, but I know it happens here in Hertforeshire where people own farms but cannot live on them.
You need a good lawyer. There has to be a loophole somewhere or maybe you can use the law of equity in your favour. Good luck.
The issue is that planning permission needed to be granted for a mobile home as it is a dwelling. While I understand this is your land, one still cannot do exactly what one likes on such land, otherwise where will things end? Why dont you apply to build something permanent instead? Or is that something you have considered but can't get permission for? The UK is far too small to allow anyone to plonk a caravan on a bit of land and let them live there, controls have to be in place
That's terrible, I'm sorry it's come to this for you. Well done on holding out for so long
There's a link below with advice for travellers and eviction. I know you're not one, but the same principles should apply to the Council's eviction procedures. Forgive me if I cut and paste from it liberally:
Local Authorities have been advised that their powers "should be used in a humane and compassionate way, taking account of the rights and needs of the Gypsies and Travellers concerned, the owners of the land in question and the wider community whose lives may be affected by the situation."
They are obliged to take account of provision of education for school-age children.
In a test case, the judge decided that "in addition to these statutory considerations, there were ‘considerations of common humanity, none of which can be properly ignored when dealing with one of the most fundamental of human needs, the need for shelter with at least a modicum of security.’" In this case, your accomodation is currently as secure as it could be (apart from the Council's efforts to move you off it!) Forcing you into a B&B, or a house that you cannot afford to rent, would leave you in a much less secure position, as it could ultimately leave your family homeless.
Also: "In a planning enforcement case that was heard soon afterwards, the court held that in deciding whether or not to take enforcement action, local authorities should have regard to the personal circumstances of the Gypsies or Travellers and that such considerations should hold equal weight when considering breaches of planning controls."
It also states that "‘toleration’ should be considered if nuisance or annoyance (from encampments) is not being caused"
Sounds like there's a good deal of precedence for your personal circumstances to taken into full account in deciding whether you are allowed to continue living your low-impact lifestyle. So long as you're law-abiding and not causing a public nuisance. Get a good lawyer, and seek advice from the CAB, as others have said. Good luck!
Once again, the Planners fail to see outside the box that they create for themselves. They are trying to apply rules designed for the way 99% of the population live, to that minority that choose to live differently.
I do appeciate how you feel about living the good life but as you explained earlier you have a son who has CP so perhaps you ought to look towards your future in respect of looking after him.
You say that you own your own land, surely that would mean that you could still keep the horses and enjoy nature even if you did live in a council house.
Could you not sell the land or even build your own home on this land supposing that you could get planning permission. Whatever you do with the land it will always be there for you to fall back on if things get really sticky financially.
Are you conerned about the old fashioned stigma of living in a council house. If that is so it is just blind foolishness, as living in council property these days can be a way of stepping onto the property ladder. After you have lived in a council house for several years you will get the chance to buy as long as you have been a good tenant. Then you can progress slowly up the property chain, and by buying and selling you could end up with a house that you have always wanted. Not necessarily a big house but a home for you and your family to enjoy.
Think on this as well, there are many young people out there who would be only too pleased to be offered a council house to live in. You do not have to accept the first one offered if you have valid reasons to dislike it for one reason or another. Wrong location, not an area you would choose yourself, too far away from any amentities, such as schools, bus route, no easy access to shops or doctors.
Now here is a suggestion: Take a blank peice of paper and draw a line right across it. Then at the top of the line write the word positives and underneath the line write the word negatives.
Now take time and think of the postives of living in a council house and write each one down so you end up with a list of positives . Do the same for the negatives of you living in a council house. At the end of the excersie you tot up the points on each list and see what comes out tops. It sounds so simple but it is not I can assure you.
You will in all probablity do this excersice several times as you will always thinks of other things to add to each list.
Like I said get the grey sells working and write your thoughts down on that piece of paper. It woud'nt be too long before you arrive at the right answer.
Oh and another thing do you really want to go to court with all it's that it entails. I am not advocating that you should not stick up for your rights, but why are the council wanting you to take you to court? I suspect it is because of the growing needs of your family and your accommodation is not meeting those needs.
I do hope you find that you can make the choice that is right for everyone. I do not envy you one little bit, but is has to done sooner rather than later.
Sorry to play the devils advocate here but if it helps solve your problem so beit.
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