When someone applies to join a Golf Club and is rejected, is it necessary for the committee to give a reason?
A person applies to a golf club and is refused. Does she have the right to know of the committee's refusal?
Answers:
No Club rules are "outside" the law. Try slipping them a brown envelope the next time!
Nope not at all. Its a private committee and its up to them what they do.
No, it is not required. Golf clubs, country clubs and the like are private establishments. They have full say who can and cannot join. Period. No one can make them accept a member under any circumstances, however, many have tried. The cry of racism is often brought up while discussing country clubs. In some cases, I am sure it is a valid point, in others, it is not.
In my city, we have a country club that is mostly filled by Dow Chemical employees. Others who try and get in, especially those that are not wealthy, are simply rejected out of hand.
Is it right? Perhaps, perhaps not, but thats not what you asked :)
Not unless it is stated that they will offer it when you registered. Most likely they have a disclaimer stating that they can accept or reject anyone for any reason. Private Clubs have a ton of power as to who to accept, how much those people have to spend per month, what kiind of cars they allow you to park in their parking lot, etc etc.
You could try the whole Racist, sexist, etc route and force them to give you a written reason, but they can just write one down that says. "we have enough Pontiacs in our parking lot, and didn't feel like having more, and they drove up in one"
I would never belong to a club that would accept me as a member in any case.
Depends what the proceedure for refusal is as laid down in the clubs constitution. You need to get your hands on a copy to see if you have grounds for appeal. Probably futile however as your appear will be to the same committee that decided they didn't want you as a member in the first place.
Probably best to find another club or better still another sport.
No - you do have a right to know if it is a public body, but golf clubs, like other private clubs, can be as quirky and illogical as they want, i am afraid. They could say your friend's sweater was the wrong shade of blue and it would be a sufficient reason - :(
No - not if it's a private organisation. Like the landlord of a pub can refuse to serve someone and does not have to give a reason.
There is no obligation to give a reason.
Anyway as Groucho Marx once remarked - he didn't want to belong to any club that would have him anyway.
No. A private club is a private club (until this PC government decide to change things). She could always play the discrimination card. Seems to be the way to get things done in UK at the moment.
No its a private club
Not only are they not required to, as it is private, it is not in their interest to do so. NAy feedback may indicate some bias which could be grounds for legal action.
Nope.
Nope. They can refuse you for any reason. If you notice, some don't even provide guidelines to becoming a member, so it's impossible to know what qualifications they're seeking.
Pure politics in that respect. I say take your business elsewhere.
No, but there is nothing to stop you enquiring so you know the next time! i would if i was you! Write a professional and polite letter! Its worth a try its not going to make it worse!
Nada.
In general they do not need to give a reason.
However, an increasing number of clubs are going for CASC (Community Amateur Sports Club ) status which gives them considerable tax benefits but restricts them in some respects eg equal opportunities. If this is the case for the club you will have the right of appeal and they will presumably have to give a reason.
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Answers:
No Club rules are "outside" the law. Try slipping them a brown envelope the next time!
Nope not at all. Its a private committee and its up to them what they do.
No, it is not required. Golf clubs, country clubs and the like are private establishments. They have full say who can and cannot join. Period. No one can make them accept a member under any circumstances, however, many have tried. The cry of racism is often brought up while discussing country clubs. In some cases, I am sure it is a valid point, in others, it is not.
In my city, we have a country club that is mostly filled by Dow Chemical employees. Others who try and get in, especially those that are not wealthy, are simply rejected out of hand.
Is it right? Perhaps, perhaps not, but thats not what you asked :)
Not unless it is stated that they will offer it when you registered. Most likely they have a disclaimer stating that they can accept or reject anyone for any reason. Private Clubs have a ton of power as to who to accept, how much those people have to spend per month, what kiind of cars they allow you to park in their parking lot, etc etc.
You could try the whole Racist, sexist, etc route and force them to give you a written reason, but they can just write one down that says. "we have enough Pontiacs in our parking lot, and didn't feel like having more, and they drove up in one"
I would never belong to a club that would accept me as a member in any case.
Depends what the proceedure for refusal is as laid down in the clubs constitution. You need to get your hands on a copy to see if you have grounds for appeal. Probably futile however as your appear will be to the same committee that decided they didn't want you as a member in the first place.
Probably best to find another club or better still another sport.
No - you do have a right to know if it is a public body, but golf clubs, like other private clubs, can be as quirky and illogical as they want, i am afraid. They could say your friend's sweater was the wrong shade of blue and it would be a sufficient reason - :(
No - not if it's a private organisation. Like the landlord of a pub can refuse to serve someone and does not have to give a reason.
There is no obligation to give a reason.
Anyway as Groucho Marx once remarked - he didn't want to belong to any club that would have him anyway.
No. A private club is a private club (until this PC government decide to change things). She could always play the discrimination card. Seems to be the way to get things done in UK at the moment.
No its a private club
Not only are they not required to, as it is private, it is not in their interest to do so. NAy feedback may indicate some bias which could be grounds for legal action.
Nope.
Nope. They can refuse you for any reason. If you notice, some don't even provide guidelines to becoming a member, so it's impossible to know what qualifications they're seeking.
Pure politics in that respect. I say take your business elsewhere.
No, but there is nothing to stop you enquiring so you know the next time! i would if i was you! Write a professional and polite letter! Its worth a try its not going to make it worse!
Nada.
In general they do not need to give a reason.
However, an increasing number of clubs are going for CASC (Community Amateur Sports Club ) status which gives them considerable tax benefits but restricts them in some respects eg equal opportunities. If this is the case for the club you will have the right of appeal and they will presumably have to give a reason.
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