Why do the generall public still have faith in such poor quality martial arts such as kung fu and tai kwon do?
when will they wake up to real fighting systems such and ju jitsu sambo and muay thia
Answers:
To answer your question the way you have worded it would be to assume you are correct in assuming that kung fu and "tai" kwon do are "poor quality". To do this would be a grievous error.
"Real" fighting systems have their bases in Chinese martial arts to begin with. Furthermore, most of what people believe of kung fu and tae kwon do either come from special effects movies with action stars trying to one-up each other or else Olympic-style point sparring. Remember this: any tool is useful if one knows how to wield it.
Most Chinese martial arts are considered "complete" systems, that is, all aspects of fighting are taught, from ground fighting, grappling, in-fighting (knees, elbows, etc.), striking/kicking distance, and short-range, mid-range, long-range, and projectile weapons (yes, including firearms).
I have respect for ju jitsu and muay thai martial artists. They take a different path to the same destination as I do. If there were one supreme martial art, though, wouldn't we all be practicing it?
Why feel the need to belittle the methods of others? Are you insecure?
When will you wake up and at least open your eyes to other methods of combat?
i thought the last one was a kinda cocktail!
I suppose any sport will keep you mentally and physically fit.But where possible a firearm will give me faith as long as you can discharge it and get in sharpish.
maybe they just enjoy improving their fitness and having a fun, sociable time doing them?
I'm not taking on some 12 year old in a village hall no way buddy!!
Because, if you study martial arts diligently for years and become a master you will be learn how to stop a bullet with your heart.
Because there are cool films about Kung Fu, and not those others that nobody has ever heard of.
And that Carl Douglas song, that helped too.
maybe the FIGHT is not the object for them.maybe its exercise and physical discipline they are looking for, rather than combat skills
Its same like u sometimes drink plain water when coke, pepsi, whisky, vodka, wine, rum, beer, milkshake are available...why?
Its same like u like ur nextdoor girl....even if the hottest babes are available in the town.
Its same like u like to wear casuals ...even if ur best suits are there in the closet.
Anything else?
Kung fu is good stuff. tard.. tkd.. not so much. sides its called marketing
Ah.Monkey! But seriously - kung fu was marketed by film stars and singers. Was it not 'stage one' of the real kick-butt art?
who are ya..bruce lee
The introduction of MMA and well rounded martials arts into the United States is still relatively new, especially compared to the long history of traditional martial arts.
People are becoming more and more aware as MMA gains more exposure. MMA is one of the fastest growing sports.
A lot of traditional martial arts gyms are now offering BBJ, kickboxing, etc. in additional to their old school offerings.
In any case, kung fu and TKD aren't completely useless. They provide a great workout and in real world situations, a smart practitioner can easily adapt their skills to street fighting.
ching wang doo sue weee lou wang wooooooooooo
because life in a free world is about choices & power hungry little people are not allowed the power to change it. got it?
It's like those commerical you see, people claim to discover a super effective excrise that will melt your fat away and let you cramp down 15 cake and whole cow down your throat and still develope super model look in a week.
Tae Kwon Do, Kung Fu, etc. aren't very demanding on body, does't require much conditioning, doesn't get your face bruised up, leave you gasping for air, leaving your clothes soaked in sweat, the instructor kiss student's *** and will do everythings in their power to make students believe they're the deadliest person in world and keep them in the gym no matter what.
On other hands realistic style instructor don't really care if you like him/her or not because he/she KNOW he/she have the knowledge that you want, you have to really bust your a55 off to gain micro of the knowledge ad skill, doesn't treat you like their best friend but like as a fighter, will let you know if you're good fighter or not and don't care if they hurt your feeling. They're not going to let your ego get better of you or let you run around and tell the world about how great you are when you never step in cage/ring/mat because they have 5 or 10 fighters and a champion or two to worry about. So you basically have to work your way up the ladder to get the instructor's attention and him/her to take you seriously.
Since most people want something that look flashy and cool so they can impress their friend/girlfriend/family/dog in a real fight but doesn't want to work hard and being a punch bag for fighter and work the way up the ladder. So what is left for them? Oh yes! That's right! Something where they can be the world greatest fighter in their own little world without paying the real price beside from their own pocket. So that's why many poor quality martial arts appeal to the population.
In end they don't care how good they're as long as they're living in their own world where they can look at themselve as bruce Lee, believe they're too deadly to spar, and can throw fireball. However when the realistic come, they perfer to claim they are too dangerous to fight, claim they will use chi on you, claim they will snap every bones in your body into dust, etc. If they get beat up, they will say something like "I don't want to hurt the person, I would have done damage that's 10 time worse than what I got"or whatever.
That's how most of population perfer to think and live, they doesn't want to be a real person in a real world, they want to be someone special in their own world. It's like as teenager, teen agers think they're born special, have a fate laid out for them that will lead them to whatever they want to accomplish, and doesn't look at themselve as a average person that have to work their way up to something.
I hope this help you get some idea why people doesn't want to learn realistic style.
It just shows how immature you are and how little education you have. There are just as many lousy jiu jitsu practioners as any other style. What matters is how well a person is trained and how well they can fight. If you suck, you suck, no matter what style you practice.
After my comment about you to the guy looking for a Ninjustu school in London, you probably won't want to read this, but I'll try none the less. Tae Kwon Do, as it seems to be taught now with a sport orientation, wouldn't be too good on the street, but against your average man, it'd still work fairly well. However, the original genuine art, properly taught, would prove quite formidable, especially if American Karateka George Dillman is right, that there are no blocks in the forms, and that Tae Kwon Do originally contained vital point strikes and grappling techniques. Even without these though, a good teacher like Jhoon Rhee or Hee Il Cho would doubltess turn out some capable students.
Now Kung Fu seems to be something you just don't understand at all. Kung Fu was a term Bruce Lee coined to refer to Wu Shu, the umbrella term which covers all Chinese martial arts. Lee himself practised Wing Chun Kung Fu, widely recognized for its simplicity, brevity in learning, and unquestionnable effectiveness against a real attack. I'm surprised you don't seem to be familiar with it.
Many of the recent champions on the British scene, including full contact, have been students of Master Jeremy Yau, who teaches Lau Gar Kung Fu. Master Mark Houghton helped a friend who was being attacked by Triads, and survived, despite terrible injuries, due to his training in Hung Gar Kung Fu.
White Crane Kung Fu is noted for its effectiveness, though it is complicated and takes a long time to learn. And if you've seen what those Shaolin Monks who came over can do, and considering that their ancestors had to use this art to defend the Shaolin temple, you're not going to tell me that that doesn't work, are you?
There are probably something like a hundred different types of Wu Shu, divided into two main groups: Northern Styles like White Crane or Shaolin, which are gymnastic in form, are thought to result partly from the firm, dry ground of northern China where people could afford to risk high kicks; Southern styles like Wing Chun are less extravagant and use simpler looking movements, due apparently to the softer soil of southern China, which did not provide a stable platform from which to launch high kicks.
The many styles of Wu Shu, which include Cat Kung Fu and Dog Kung Fu (I kid you not, but apparently they're not very well known) have in many cases been around for hundreds of years, they would not have survived if they had not been effective, and remember, these people would be fighting for their lives.
Last, three arts which aren't usually called Kung Fu styles but which must be Wu Shu are Hsing-I, Pakua (or Bagua), and Tai Chi Chuan, the last of which is apparently the most complicated and was preferred to be learned after the student had learned the other two. If you find someone who practises real Tai Chi (finding hen's teeth might be easier), you'll also find one of the most effective martial arts there is.
Ironically, perhaps the best place to learn Chinese arts isn't China itself, but neighbouring Taiwan, as the Communist regime in China suppressed much of China's traditional heritage.
martial arts isn't all about how effective your art is but how proficient you are in it.
why do the generall public still have faith in such poor quality martial arts such as ju jitsu sambo and muay thia?
when will they wake up to real fighting systems such and kung fu and tai kwon do
ridiculous questions get ridiculous answers-2 points
Seriously troll, are you asking a serious question or just picking a fight?
Here's my take
1) Each school has its own philosophy, hopefully based on real battle tactics that worked. IE using your legs to defeat your enemy at a distance (TKD). Its not good enough to know one, but you have to start somewhere. TKD and Kung Fu is popular, realitively cheap and available most anywhere.
2) Why are you in Martial arts? If you want to be able to kill a lot of people, volunteer for duty in the Infantry in Iraq. None of these martial arts are much use against RPG's and 50cal machine guns. However, very few people I know went into Martial arts to come out the ultimate fighting champion. Why are they there? Fitness? Dicipline? Self Defense? If you want to be able to protect yourself from the U.S. Marines ju jutsu sambo and muay thia cocktails are not going to save you. If you'd like to be able to control yourself, defend yourself, and maybe learn some thing, any of the above is a good starting point.
The "My art is better then your art" argument was old and busted in Sun Tzu's time..
-Rob
The literal translation of Kung Fu (Gongfu, really) is 'Skill'. Your Gongfu could be basket weaving for all I know!!
There is more than one way to skin a cat, and if you carry a gun, it completely invalidates anything you may have.
Muay Thai is useless against Silat or Xiaolin Chuan. Any kind of qinna is useless against taijiquan. I have seen jiu jitsu people floored by aikido.
Do your homework. Every system has flaws.
tae kwon do is a defensive art--in a traditional school a student is taught how to block and counter punch when attacked from several different ways, in time thru practice and perservence a person would become very effencient a defending himself on the streets. a good tae kwon do school also promotes awareness of other fields of study like swords, ground escape, hanmudo, tactical short sticks etc. to make a person a more well rounded fighter and person as a whole. also like it has already been mentioned these two are the ones that have been around for over 4000 yrs each and been available in this country for over 60 yrs just like any new "thing" it takes time for new programs to become avail. for all to use, and affordable for the general public to pay for.
Because not everyone likes brutal MA such as Muay Tai and the likes. If they wanted to kick the crap out of people they might as well join a street gang and be done with it.
Who are you to lable certain martial arts as "poor quality" when you can't even spell them correctly. Remember ignorance is not an excuse. I assume you have trained in both kung fu and TAE KWON DO to their full extent in order to make such an assumption. If you are a martial artist then you should know its not always about becoming a hardened fighter, if thats what you want then join the navy seals or something.
People support bogus schools for several reasons. They are satisfying their inner-"Tarzan" , they may not know any better, they feel that paying for a belt for their child is the right way to do things because if testing is free it must not be worth anything,..I am sure the list goes on.
I will not point my finger at any one style as a whole and say it is bogus ( unless it is some energy Dragonball Z style).
I have to been to a couple TKD schools that trained effectively. I was at one where the teacher yelled at the kids for trying to kick head level and then demonstrated why you shouldn't do this. I was flabbergasted.
I have also been to an Iron Body Hung Gar Kung-fu school that was teaching very hardcore street methods and their training was intense.
I have a standard that I repeat on here all the time..quality and frequency of training outweigh the style ( unless it is energy BS).
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Answers:
To answer your question the way you have worded it would be to assume you are correct in assuming that kung fu and "tai" kwon do are "poor quality". To do this would be a grievous error.
"Real" fighting systems have their bases in Chinese martial arts to begin with. Furthermore, most of what people believe of kung fu and tae kwon do either come from special effects movies with action stars trying to one-up each other or else Olympic-style point sparring. Remember this: any tool is useful if one knows how to wield it.
Most Chinese martial arts are considered "complete" systems, that is, all aspects of fighting are taught, from ground fighting, grappling, in-fighting (knees, elbows, etc.), striking/kicking distance, and short-range, mid-range, long-range, and projectile weapons (yes, including firearms).
I have respect for ju jitsu and muay thai martial artists. They take a different path to the same destination as I do. If there were one supreme martial art, though, wouldn't we all be practicing it?
Why feel the need to belittle the methods of others? Are you insecure?
When will you wake up and at least open your eyes to other methods of combat?
i thought the last one was a kinda cocktail!
I suppose any sport will keep you mentally and physically fit.But where possible a firearm will give me faith as long as you can discharge it and get in sharpish.
maybe they just enjoy improving their fitness and having a fun, sociable time doing them?
I'm not taking on some 12 year old in a village hall no way buddy!!
Because, if you study martial arts diligently for years and become a master you will be learn how to stop a bullet with your heart.
Because there are cool films about Kung Fu, and not those others that nobody has ever heard of.
And that Carl Douglas song, that helped too.
maybe the FIGHT is not the object for them.maybe its exercise and physical discipline they are looking for, rather than combat skills
Its same like u sometimes drink plain water when coke, pepsi, whisky, vodka, wine, rum, beer, milkshake are available...why?
Its same like u like ur nextdoor girl....even if the hottest babes are available in the town.
Its same like u like to wear casuals ...even if ur best suits are there in the closet.
Anything else?
Kung fu is good stuff. tard.. tkd.. not so much. sides its called marketing
Ah.Monkey! But seriously - kung fu was marketed by film stars and singers. Was it not 'stage one' of the real kick-butt art?
who are ya..bruce lee
The introduction of MMA and well rounded martials arts into the United States is still relatively new, especially compared to the long history of traditional martial arts.
People are becoming more and more aware as MMA gains more exposure. MMA is one of the fastest growing sports.
A lot of traditional martial arts gyms are now offering BBJ, kickboxing, etc. in additional to their old school offerings.
In any case, kung fu and TKD aren't completely useless. They provide a great workout and in real world situations, a smart practitioner can easily adapt their skills to street fighting.
ching wang doo sue weee lou wang wooooooooooo
because life in a free world is about choices & power hungry little people are not allowed the power to change it. got it?
It's like those commerical you see, people claim to discover a super effective excrise that will melt your fat away and let you cramp down 15 cake and whole cow down your throat and still develope super model look in a week.
Tae Kwon Do, Kung Fu, etc. aren't very demanding on body, does't require much conditioning, doesn't get your face bruised up, leave you gasping for air, leaving your clothes soaked in sweat, the instructor kiss student's *** and will do everythings in their power to make students believe they're the deadliest person in world and keep them in the gym no matter what.
On other hands realistic style instructor don't really care if you like him/her or not because he/she KNOW he/she have the knowledge that you want, you have to really bust your a55 off to gain micro of the knowledge ad skill, doesn't treat you like their best friend but like as a fighter, will let you know if you're good fighter or not and don't care if they hurt your feeling. They're not going to let your ego get better of you or let you run around and tell the world about how great you are when you never step in cage/ring/mat because they have 5 or 10 fighters and a champion or two to worry about. So you basically have to work your way up the ladder to get the instructor's attention and him/her to take you seriously.
Since most people want something that look flashy and cool so they can impress their friend/girlfriend/family/dog in a real fight but doesn't want to work hard and being a punch bag for fighter and work the way up the ladder. So what is left for them? Oh yes! That's right! Something where they can be the world greatest fighter in their own little world without paying the real price beside from their own pocket. So that's why many poor quality martial arts appeal to the population.
In end they don't care how good they're as long as they're living in their own world where they can look at themselve as bruce Lee, believe they're too deadly to spar, and can throw fireball. However when the realistic come, they perfer to claim they are too dangerous to fight, claim they will use chi on you, claim they will snap every bones in your body into dust, etc. If they get beat up, they will say something like "I don't want to hurt the person, I would have done damage that's 10 time worse than what I got"or whatever.
That's how most of population perfer to think and live, they doesn't want to be a real person in a real world, they want to be someone special in their own world. It's like as teenager, teen agers think they're born special, have a fate laid out for them that will lead them to whatever they want to accomplish, and doesn't look at themselve as a average person that have to work their way up to something.
I hope this help you get some idea why people doesn't want to learn realistic style.
It just shows how immature you are and how little education you have. There are just as many lousy jiu jitsu practioners as any other style. What matters is how well a person is trained and how well they can fight. If you suck, you suck, no matter what style you practice.
After my comment about you to the guy looking for a Ninjustu school in London, you probably won't want to read this, but I'll try none the less. Tae Kwon Do, as it seems to be taught now with a sport orientation, wouldn't be too good on the street, but against your average man, it'd still work fairly well. However, the original genuine art, properly taught, would prove quite formidable, especially if American Karateka George Dillman is right, that there are no blocks in the forms, and that Tae Kwon Do originally contained vital point strikes and grappling techniques. Even without these though, a good teacher like Jhoon Rhee or Hee Il Cho would doubltess turn out some capable students.
Now Kung Fu seems to be something you just don't understand at all. Kung Fu was a term Bruce Lee coined to refer to Wu Shu, the umbrella term which covers all Chinese martial arts. Lee himself practised Wing Chun Kung Fu, widely recognized for its simplicity, brevity in learning, and unquestionnable effectiveness against a real attack. I'm surprised you don't seem to be familiar with it.
Many of the recent champions on the British scene, including full contact, have been students of Master Jeremy Yau, who teaches Lau Gar Kung Fu. Master Mark Houghton helped a friend who was being attacked by Triads, and survived, despite terrible injuries, due to his training in Hung Gar Kung Fu.
White Crane Kung Fu is noted for its effectiveness, though it is complicated and takes a long time to learn. And if you've seen what those Shaolin Monks who came over can do, and considering that their ancestors had to use this art to defend the Shaolin temple, you're not going to tell me that that doesn't work, are you?
There are probably something like a hundred different types of Wu Shu, divided into two main groups: Northern Styles like White Crane or Shaolin, which are gymnastic in form, are thought to result partly from the firm, dry ground of northern China where people could afford to risk high kicks; Southern styles like Wing Chun are less extravagant and use simpler looking movements, due apparently to the softer soil of southern China, which did not provide a stable platform from which to launch high kicks.
The many styles of Wu Shu, which include Cat Kung Fu and Dog Kung Fu (I kid you not, but apparently they're not very well known) have in many cases been around for hundreds of years, they would not have survived if they had not been effective, and remember, these people would be fighting for their lives.
Last, three arts which aren't usually called Kung Fu styles but which must be Wu Shu are Hsing-I, Pakua (or Bagua), and Tai Chi Chuan, the last of which is apparently the most complicated and was preferred to be learned after the student had learned the other two. If you find someone who practises real Tai Chi (finding hen's teeth might be easier), you'll also find one of the most effective martial arts there is.
Ironically, perhaps the best place to learn Chinese arts isn't China itself, but neighbouring Taiwan, as the Communist regime in China suppressed much of China's traditional heritage.
martial arts isn't all about how effective your art is but how proficient you are in it.
why do the generall public still have faith in such poor quality martial arts such as ju jitsu sambo and muay thia?
when will they wake up to real fighting systems such and kung fu and tai kwon do
ridiculous questions get ridiculous answers-2 points
Seriously troll, are you asking a serious question or just picking a fight?
Here's my take
1) Each school has its own philosophy, hopefully based on real battle tactics that worked. IE using your legs to defeat your enemy at a distance (TKD). Its not good enough to know one, but you have to start somewhere. TKD and Kung Fu is popular, realitively cheap and available most anywhere.
2) Why are you in Martial arts? If you want to be able to kill a lot of people, volunteer for duty in the Infantry in Iraq. None of these martial arts are much use against RPG's and 50cal machine guns. However, very few people I know went into Martial arts to come out the ultimate fighting champion. Why are they there? Fitness? Dicipline? Self Defense? If you want to be able to protect yourself from the U.S. Marines ju jutsu sambo and muay thia cocktails are not going to save you. If you'd like to be able to control yourself, defend yourself, and maybe learn some thing, any of the above is a good starting point.
The "My art is better then your art" argument was old and busted in Sun Tzu's time..
-Rob
The literal translation of Kung Fu (Gongfu, really) is 'Skill'. Your Gongfu could be basket weaving for all I know!!
There is more than one way to skin a cat, and if you carry a gun, it completely invalidates anything you may have.
Muay Thai is useless against Silat or Xiaolin Chuan. Any kind of qinna is useless against taijiquan. I have seen jiu jitsu people floored by aikido.
Do your homework. Every system has flaws.
tae kwon do is a defensive art--in a traditional school a student is taught how to block and counter punch when attacked from several different ways, in time thru practice and perservence a person would become very effencient a defending himself on the streets. a good tae kwon do school also promotes awareness of other fields of study like swords, ground escape, hanmudo, tactical short sticks etc. to make a person a more well rounded fighter and person as a whole. also like it has already been mentioned these two are the ones that have been around for over 4000 yrs each and been available in this country for over 60 yrs just like any new "thing" it takes time for new programs to become avail. for all to use, and affordable for the general public to pay for.
Because not everyone likes brutal MA such as Muay Tai and the likes. If they wanted to kick the crap out of people they might as well join a street gang and be done with it.
Who are you to lable certain martial arts as "poor quality" when you can't even spell them correctly. Remember ignorance is not an excuse. I assume you have trained in both kung fu and TAE KWON DO to their full extent in order to make such an assumption. If you are a martial artist then you should know its not always about becoming a hardened fighter, if thats what you want then join the navy seals or something.
People support bogus schools for several reasons. They are satisfying their inner-"Tarzan" , they may not know any better, they feel that paying for a belt for their child is the right way to do things because if testing is free it must not be worth anything,..I am sure the list goes on.
I will not point my finger at any one style as a whole and say it is bogus ( unless it is some energy Dragonball Z style).
I have to been to a couple TKD schools that trained effectively. I was at one where the teacher yelled at the kids for trying to kick head level and then demonstrated why you shouldn't do this. I was flabbergasted.
I have also been to an Iron Body Hung Gar Kung-fu school that was teaching very hardcore street methods and their training was intense.
I have a standard that I repeat on here all the time..quality and frequency of training outweigh the style ( unless it is energy BS).
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