How can deer hunting be considered a sport,worse still how can someone enjoy shooting a defenceless animal?
where is the sport or the skil.
How about getting in a ring with no weapons and fighting a bull
now that would be sport,more of a fair fight
Answers:
There is no way it's a sport.
With a properly calibrated rifle, I could choose a spot wait less than six hours and kill a large mammal at 800m. Almost everytime. Fact.
The only skills I have are a lifetime of observing nature and a couple of shots at beercans with a .22 rifle.
To compare this with what nature photographers do is ignorant. Photographers not only have to get the light and background right, but they have to get perfect focus. They also are more interested in behaviour, and will spend years getting detailed knowledge of their subject in order to observe a particular behaviour.
It would be much more sporting to supply these b*stards with fake ammunition. Let's see them in real combat, with both parties just as surprised and unarmed. I have a feeling we would start to hear about hunters being killed after being savaged by a muskrat.
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As usual, those holding ignorant views, base their arguments on fantasy land. Jumping at the first criticism.
Hunting for food is OK, provided the animals are naturally managed (farmed). Like pheasant and deer are in certain areas. Killing for pleasure is never acceptable and totally SICK. Just ask any native hunters. They hate what you are doing.
800m is based on the British army's manufacturing tolerance of their standard weapon. They also expect their recruits to attain this standard. Firing a GOOD rifle is NOT difficult, it's p*ss easy.
Even living in a wildlife de-populated area I could find wild boar and wild buffalo any night. If I could choose a wilder country, no contest.
I have spent a lifetime tracking and observing animals, I know what I am talking about. And forget 'rifle-range' at a waterhole or animal path. I go to where they live and sometimes get close enough to touch. Most hunters will probably be surprised at these basics of tracking - ignorant drunk hicks playing at being men.
Yes I agree markmanship is a skill, just watch the olympics. But if hunters want to attain this level, get out of my precious nature and get on a range. Otherwise it's TOO EASY.
I love the bull idea! I would pay to see someone fighting a bull with their bare hands!
It is not about the "shot" that is one very small small part of it. A hunter may put 30-40 hours into that one deer. Stalking, waiting, preparing, and everything else to maybe not even get a deer.
I don't hunt deer, and do not really condone it. But don't be so quick to judge the sport, seeing you obviously don't know anything about it nor done any research.
It is a sport if done properly. Matching your skills against an animal which has eons of evolutionary advantages in the woods is very difficult. As far as enjoying shooting anything, we hunt for food. Growing up in rural PA hunting was how we stayed alive. Also please consider that humans have ruined the natural state of the food chain and if not for hunters many animals would die a far worse death of starvation. If did not need the food I would still go into the woods with a camera to track and capture wild animals on film. Haven't you ever watched the nature channel and felt the suspense of being able to watch wild animals without their knowing you were there?
It would be a sport if the deer had guns
mmm food, uve made me feel hungry now
There is two different types of gun shooters .1 A sports shooter who applys him or her self to a sport to win and acquire trophys firing different calibre firearms at short and long distances (bench,Standing, laying down,skeet and trap) these are different positions of a rifle and shotgun shooter.2 There is the hunter who only kills for vermine control and table food which in turn can enjoy hunting animals for a purpose and not for no reason .There is not such thing as a defenseless animal as deers, pigs and other animals are none to attack people .3. The senseless shooter who shoots at anything and who does not attend a shooting range to futher there skills or is not trained by a professional shooter to aquire the skill wisdom and judgement to use firearms .The SSAA jump on these shooters straight way and take there firearms licence and names are record for life .4.If every new shooter took classes in how to hunt, prepare and cook wild game such as pig ,rabbit and deer there would be a better association as cooking is hard work too .To all who shop from a supermarket until you have sat around a camp fire roasting animal that has taken hours or days to trap and shoot please dont comment about a sport you do not understand as being ignorant is dangerous .
So your asking us to arm the deer? My god man there will be havoc! You`ll be arming otters next!
Anybody that's hunted will tell you those 'defenseless' animals have superior eyes ears and noses.Which means they see hear and smell you LONG before you can.
It's quite easy to get the false pretense that hunting is easy.I'd say the sides are balanced.The animals have millions of years of refined senses and we hunters and technology.
excuse me tell that to the guy who was killed on nov 13 by a buck on his ranch in n.y. this defenceless animal gored him to death
Update re: your update.
If there are two guys and a cameraman filming it,
it's probably a arranged hunt on a outfitters ranch.
Each state has it's own rules on this - so this is for Missouri only.
These people want to "hunt" and pay a lot of money for it.
I'd guess $800 and way up - excluding licenses.)
The outfitters spend the rest of the year providing salt & mineral blocks, food plots (specially planted crops to attract deer), and habitat restoration - which benefits local hunters as well.
The deer are enclosed, fattened, and get used to people.
They are basically cattle, but in MO, you can't keep them in a fence over 7' high. That's like jumping up two steps would be to you or me. If they decide to leave - they will.
The customer gets a chance to "hunt" a deer. The outfitter is there with a quick follow-up shot so that deer don't suffer if the "hunter" does not get a good shot on it.
The meat is not wasted. If the hunter doesn't want it, it's taken in for processing (about $60-$100 - and I imagine is included in the fee), then distributed to needy people throughout MO via the "Share the Harvest" program. I've gotten a couple of pounds that way (they mix it heavily with hamburger so that everyone wil eat it).
Non-resident permits are $145 (plus $25 surcharge for some states) for an antlered deer, subsequent doe permits are $7, but you must have purchased the $145 permit first.
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It takes some skill in shooting, planning (finding a good position), and using calls. It also takes a certain amount of luck.
I think that skill and luck are elements of any sport.
It's a sport.
I enjoy it as I'm on social security disability, and I can get 200 pounds of extremely lean meat for less that $30 a year.
I also enjoy it because they are a nuisance and hardly defenseless!
In two years, I hit two of them, and one hit me.
Two have jumped out into the road where I hit them.
One ran into my drivers door and dented it.
The insurance claims cost me about triple my insurance rate for about 2 years. Luckily I drove a fairly tough truck, so it wasn't totaled (which is often the case with cars).
However, when the Air-Conditioning didn't work the next summer, I couldn't prove and claim it as deer damage (although, it was working fine before that).
It's an older style R-12 freon unit which means it costs a lot to repair or get replaced (more than I have).
I haven't had air-conditioning for 4-1/2 years (and some medications I take make me feel like it's 10 degrees warmer to start with anyway). The heat index is above at least 90 for a couple of months in this area
Do you know how many people are injured, maimed, or killed by deer, elk, moose and all of those defenseless animals in the road in a year?
Of course not!
You don't even know how to spell or use spell-check!
Not to mention grammar, punctuation, or capitalization.
So, I hope that your _one_ question ("?") has been answered.
800 meters and you used a .22 on beer cans?
Ok. I'll give you the 6 hours for setup and everything else.
You get 600 meters and 5 shots.
You give me a .22 handgun at 60 meters and 5 shots (iron sights are fine for me - don't need a scope).
I agree it cannot be sporting as the animals cannot defend themselves.
Fox hunting, I feel is better than a slow lingering poison death. The fox has a good chance to escape from the dogs but no chance against the poison.
I ll take the bull by the horns hear then,,
You anties come and live in the country with me for the week you think were all barbaric and thoughtless, Guess again. Afetr a day you would be begging to go home, just from the work along I have never come across a hunter whos is not just onley a hunter, but a conservationist as well. I get sick of you lot just voicing your opinions thank god its not you lot us hunters have to answer too.
How many of you eat meet ?, get your self to the slorter house and see how much more barbaric that is to hunting and shooting a deer. Your all strate to the mark when casting judgment but how many of you exactly know what your talking about,,, i wounder
come on lets have the thumbs down from you anties
To your additional comments H, you say you watched 2 hunters kill a deer at 50 yards in a enclose ranch, First of all was it british tv you saw this on and secondley you use the word ranch, which makes me think your american. I class my self as an ambaseder to my spot and any man shooting a deer at 50 yards or less with the appropriat caliber rifel is most certanly not, I know when stalking a deer the object is to get as close as you can but even 100 yards is to close for my likeing.
I asure you any experianced hunter gives the deer a chance.
Hunting to cull I think is acceptable, as long as it's done humanely. I think it's important to remember that while there are people who want to hunt, they will want to keep the animals around for hunting. Deer hunters don't want to hunt deer into extinction and they want to preserve the deers environment in a good state for the deers to breed in and them to hunt in. I don't think hunting is a bad think if it's properly controlled.
Simon D, with all due respect, if the only shooting experience you have is "beer cans with a .22" there is no way you will hit the vital area of a deer-sized animal at 800 meters, or even half that distance. Properly "calibrated" rifle or not. Most game animals are taken at ranges of 200 M or less. Only skilled and experienced shooters should take shots at longer ranges on live game.
Well "H," it may not be a 'sport' by your definition of the word, but it is a skill. If early Man had not crawled out of the caves one fine day and figured out how to use fire and tools we might not be here.
Man is relatively defenseless in the animal kingdom that he has come to rule. Man is thin-skinned, fangless and clawless. He is rather slow because he is biped. Think, how did he come to be top dog if not by mastering fire, tool-making and hunting? What do you think large predators who are old or sick prefer to hunt? You got it, Man because we are so defenseless! Trying dropping down from a tree on a mature buck deer or wild hog and take him mano-a-mano without weapons. I guarantee you that the results will not be pretty, for the man foolish enough to try this! Without weapons we are still at their mercy. Animals still have the advantage of strength, horn, fang and claw. Not to mention speed and stealth.
Today we herd domesticated animals into slaughter houses so that some people can buy their meat prepackaged without being offended by having to hunt, kill, dress and butcher their own game. I think we should stop this cruel practice and let each person fend for himself. How long can you go without steak, pork chops, fried chicken or hamburgers? Are you willing to give up wearing leather shoes, belts and accessories because they come from defenseless animals killed without sport or skill? Given this situation my family and I would survive. Would yours?
Game I hunt still have some small advantage; when I ground hunt if I miss the bang will scare it off before I can get a second shot. If it is dangerous game and I miss I can be injured or killed. Even hunting from a blind one can miss giving game the advantage of speed. One hunting season a large Bobcat tried to get into my hunting blind with me. Fortunately my flashlight scared him off and no one got hurt (including the cat). Another year a rabid coyote nearly snuck up on me. On many occasions I've come close to getting snake-bit. Hunting is not for everyone. It does take skill even though you don't consider it a sport. Like pro-ball not just anybody can play!
H
Your naive question warrants no response.
Well deer hunting is a lot more sporting than going to get a Big Mac at your fast food chain. Those of you that eat meat have no right to complain about us hunters who "murder" deer or other animals. If you eat meat you are just paying a "hit man" to kill the animal for you. A deer had a much better chance against hunters, than a cow in a slaughter house. As others mentioned hunting is not about the kill. I hunt because:
I get out and enjoy being in the woods.
Seeing all the animals out there (I saw owls, turkey, squirrels, rabbits, coyotes, countless song birds, etc.)
Providing food for me family (I fixed barbacque for my co-workers and a roast for my kids last night from a deer I killed)
Fellowship of my friends. I spent two days with two very dear friends and enjoyed hunting with them this weekend.
As far as skill, a deer has better hearing, smell, and about the same eyesight as we do. If you never have hunted one of these animals you cannot appreciate how difficult it can be to get within shooting range. And a 600 meter shot on a deer, Yeah right. If you take into your considerations the flight time of a bullet out that range, a deer can move and your "easy shot" just turned into a miss. The longest shot I have ever made on a deer is 40-50 yards.
Because hunting is enjoyable. Especially if you have woodsmanship skills. I hate the "city hunters" myself. I also prefer to use bow and arrow. More up close and personal. Besides, there are many many misses by folks more than kills. The animals taste delicious. 99% of hunters do it for the meat. So don't believe all that crap you see on TV about the "big game hunters" that just go for the rack. Most of those folks are independantly wealthy and usually only hunt on fenced in private property. I think that they are idiots most of the time. I also don't care for rifle hunting. I understand that they do need it in some states where they take long 200 or more yard shots. That is a difficult shot no matter what. I hunt in Ohio where you can only use a shotgun or bow. I prefer smaller gauge gun (20 gauge) because you don't need a cannon to kill a deer. It is all about shot placement. Nearly all of the deer I have shot have dropped right where I hit them and were probably dead before they hit the ground. I enjoy the time away from the hustle of work and life by being in the woods even if I don't get any game. Hunting is hard and luck plays a large part in it. Don't let anyone ever tell you different.
i love to look into the eyes of a big buck and drop him lol and then cut it open and gut it mmm and then eat the meat
no the bull is better equped and you well need a wepon o ya that ant fair drrrrrrrrrrrrr.i to do not like the word sport for hunting ,hunting is much more then a sport
It's a year round thing for me. In the early spring I plant food plots for the deer. Deer season is in December here.
Ditto, Slim. Don't bother to give this clown what he's looking for.
Hunting will never go away because too many dollars are spent in it by sportsmen and the gov't relies on it way to heavily. Certain animals would get out of control, where they aren't doing so already.
This dope will be the first one crying when his car gets wrecked, after hitting a deer and whining something's got to be done because there's too many out there.
Stop watching all those Disney movies, partner. The real world is not a cartoon..sorry to break it to you.
Since you obviously don't know, I cannot explain. All us alpha males love to hunt, you betas are free to hide in the city and enjoy your 5 dollar starbucks.
I am guessing you have never eaten fresh scottish venison then. try it and you may understand shooting deer
Anyone who has ever stalked a deer - Or hunted fruitlessly for day after day without seeing one has no problem understanding the sport involved in doing so. It's called sport, because sometimes you do not win.
Deer do not just walk up and stand there to be shot.
Drive through any rural area in the U.S. , And you are driving by deer. Why don't you see them, if there are so many, you ask?
They don't want to be seen. You have to HUNT for them to find them.
Shooting a deer in real life is not as easy as those unfamiliar with deer, guns and hunting may think.
Guns do not automatically hit whatever you would like them to, like they do on TV.
At 100yds., the shape and size of a deer can be neatly hidden behind a coin held in front of your face. Hitting an eight inch circle on the deers chest at this distance takes an incredible amount of skill.
Additionally, deer hunting is not about enjoying killing the deer -
It's about enjoying EATING the deer.
An adult whitetail deer will yeild sixty or more pounds of meat.
With hamburger at 1.85 a pound or more these days, That is a substantial financial consideration. Most deer hunting occurs in rural , ecconomically depressed areas, and a lot of kids might go hungry if it were not for the fact that the law allows their fathers to utilize this resource.
In areas where deer hunting has been suspended, it doesn't take long for the effects to be seen. While deer are solitary animals, they are also territorial. As population expands without hunting to limit the size of the herd, Rapidly starvation sets in. As the starving animals deplete their limited natural food supply endangering not only the newest animals, but the original population as well. Deer then begin to try to migrate to new feeding areas, and in the process, get killed by cars, hung up in fences and left to starve, and generally face fates far more miserable than a quick, clean death at the hands of a hunter.
If you assumed that deer hunting is about hanging antlers on the wall, You assumed wrong. I have no problem with the antlers on the wall - They are a symbol of a great effort comming to fruition on the part of the hunter, and a sign of respect toward an animal that was a worthy prey which may well have kept the children's bellys full one cold winter.
How can anyone eat steak, burger,bacon, sausage,chicken,turkey,veal, every seen how these defenseless animals are lined up in a slaughter house waiting to die so you can have all that? At least deer hunting, the deer have a chance, one movement,one wrong step, a sneeze, wind changes & the deer is gone, you think it's non sporting? Why dont you just go one time..dont even take a gun.see how close you'd get to killing one.
Wow... you always get the animal-tree huggers out there willing to hurt a human over a hunter hunting deer. It's the food chain thats all. And Donald Rumfeld didnt shoot his friend in the face, that was our vice pres, Dick Chaney. I know some animal lovers dont belive in hunting, my father is one, but that is his opinion, im the other way. I like to hunt and eat what I hunt. Hunting goes back to when our country was founded and the settlers had to hunt for their breakfast and dinner, there were no supermarkets or McDonalds then. Hunting IS a sport! ;)
1. I DONT think deer hunting IS a sport and I'm a hunter. 2.It easy to enjoy shooting a deer ,or moose or caribou,whatever,for food,its actually fun ,not for wimps though. 3.Fighting bull is easy,some of do it here everyday.
How about getting in a ring with no weapons and fighting a bull
now that would be sport,more of a fair fight
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There is no way it's a sport.
With a properly calibrated rifle, I could choose a spot wait less than six hours and kill a large mammal at 800m. Almost everytime. Fact.
The only skills I have are a lifetime of observing nature and a couple of shots at beercans with a .22 rifle.
To compare this with what nature photographers do is ignorant. Photographers not only have to get the light and background right, but they have to get perfect focus. They also are more interested in behaviour, and will spend years getting detailed knowledge of their subject in order to observe a particular behaviour.
It would be much more sporting to supply these b*stards with fake ammunition. Let's see them in real combat, with both parties just as surprised and unarmed. I have a feeling we would start to hear about hunters being killed after being savaged by a muskrat.
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As usual, those holding ignorant views, base their arguments on fantasy land. Jumping at the first criticism.
Hunting for food is OK, provided the animals are naturally managed (farmed). Like pheasant and deer are in certain areas. Killing for pleasure is never acceptable and totally SICK. Just ask any native hunters. They hate what you are doing.
800m is based on the British army's manufacturing tolerance of their standard weapon. They also expect their recruits to attain this standard. Firing a GOOD rifle is NOT difficult, it's p*ss easy.
Even living in a wildlife de-populated area I could find wild boar and wild buffalo any night. If I could choose a wilder country, no contest.
I have spent a lifetime tracking and observing animals, I know what I am talking about. And forget 'rifle-range' at a waterhole or animal path. I go to where they live and sometimes get close enough to touch. Most hunters will probably be surprised at these basics of tracking - ignorant drunk hicks playing at being men.
Yes I agree markmanship is a skill, just watch the olympics. But if hunters want to attain this level, get out of my precious nature and get on a range. Otherwise it's TOO EASY.
I love the bull idea! I would pay to see someone fighting a bull with their bare hands!
It is not about the "shot" that is one very small small part of it. A hunter may put 30-40 hours into that one deer. Stalking, waiting, preparing, and everything else to maybe not even get a deer.
I don't hunt deer, and do not really condone it. But don't be so quick to judge the sport, seeing you obviously don't know anything about it nor done any research.
It is a sport if done properly. Matching your skills against an animal which has eons of evolutionary advantages in the woods is very difficult. As far as enjoying shooting anything, we hunt for food. Growing up in rural PA hunting was how we stayed alive. Also please consider that humans have ruined the natural state of the food chain and if not for hunters many animals would die a far worse death of starvation. If did not need the food I would still go into the woods with a camera to track and capture wild animals on film. Haven't you ever watched the nature channel and felt the suspense of being able to watch wild animals without their knowing you were there?
It would be a sport if the deer had guns
mmm food, uve made me feel hungry now
There is two different types of gun shooters .1 A sports shooter who applys him or her self to a sport to win and acquire trophys firing different calibre firearms at short and long distances (bench,Standing, laying down,skeet and trap) these are different positions of a rifle and shotgun shooter.2 There is the hunter who only kills for vermine control and table food which in turn can enjoy hunting animals for a purpose and not for no reason .There is not such thing as a defenseless animal as deers, pigs and other animals are none to attack people .3. The senseless shooter who shoots at anything and who does not attend a shooting range to futher there skills or is not trained by a professional shooter to aquire the skill wisdom and judgement to use firearms .The SSAA jump on these shooters straight way and take there firearms licence and names are record for life .4.If every new shooter took classes in how to hunt, prepare and cook wild game such as pig ,rabbit and deer there would be a better association as cooking is hard work too .To all who shop from a supermarket until you have sat around a camp fire roasting animal that has taken hours or days to trap and shoot please dont comment about a sport you do not understand as being ignorant is dangerous .
So your asking us to arm the deer? My god man there will be havoc! You`ll be arming otters next!
Anybody that's hunted will tell you those 'defenseless' animals have superior eyes ears and noses.Which means they see hear and smell you LONG before you can.
It's quite easy to get the false pretense that hunting is easy.I'd say the sides are balanced.The animals have millions of years of refined senses and we hunters and technology.
excuse me tell that to the guy who was killed on nov 13 by a buck on his ranch in n.y. this defenceless animal gored him to death
Update re: your update.
If there are two guys and a cameraman filming it,
it's probably a arranged hunt on a outfitters ranch.
Each state has it's own rules on this - so this is for Missouri only.
These people want to "hunt" and pay a lot of money for it.
I'd guess $800 and way up - excluding licenses.)
The outfitters spend the rest of the year providing salt & mineral blocks, food plots (specially planted crops to attract deer), and habitat restoration - which benefits local hunters as well.
The deer are enclosed, fattened, and get used to people.
They are basically cattle, but in MO, you can't keep them in a fence over 7' high. That's like jumping up two steps would be to you or me. If they decide to leave - they will.
The customer gets a chance to "hunt" a deer. The outfitter is there with a quick follow-up shot so that deer don't suffer if the "hunter" does not get a good shot on it.
The meat is not wasted. If the hunter doesn't want it, it's taken in for processing (about $60-$100 - and I imagine is included in the fee), then distributed to needy people throughout MO via the "Share the Harvest" program. I've gotten a couple of pounds that way (they mix it heavily with hamburger so that everyone wil eat it).
Non-resident permits are $145 (plus $25 surcharge for some states) for an antlered deer, subsequent doe permits are $7, but you must have purchased the $145 permit first.
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It takes some skill in shooting, planning (finding a good position), and using calls. It also takes a certain amount of luck.
I think that skill and luck are elements of any sport.
It's a sport.
I enjoy it as I'm on social security disability, and I can get 200 pounds of extremely lean meat for less that $30 a year.
I also enjoy it because they are a nuisance and hardly defenseless!
In two years, I hit two of them, and one hit me.
Two have jumped out into the road where I hit them.
One ran into my drivers door and dented it.
The insurance claims cost me about triple my insurance rate for about 2 years. Luckily I drove a fairly tough truck, so it wasn't totaled (which is often the case with cars).
However, when the Air-Conditioning didn't work the next summer, I couldn't prove and claim it as deer damage (although, it was working fine before that).
It's an older style R-12 freon unit which means it costs a lot to repair or get replaced (more than I have).
I haven't had air-conditioning for 4-1/2 years (and some medications I take make me feel like it's 10 degrees warmer to start with anyway). The heat index is above at least 90 for a couple of months in this area
Do you know how many people are injured, maimed, or killed by deer, elk, moose and all of those defenseless animals in the road in a year?
Of course not!
You don't even know how to spell or use spell-check!
Not to mention grammar, punctuation, or capitalization.
So, I hope that your _one_ question ("?") has been answered.
800 meters and you used a .22 on beer cans?
Ok. I'll give you the 6 hours for setup and everything else.
You get 600 meters and 5 shots.
You give me a .22 handgun at 60 meters and 5 shots (iron sights are fine for me - don't need a scope).
I agree it cannot be sporting as the animals cannot defend themselves.
Fox hunting, I feel is better than a slow lingering poison death. The fox has a good chance to escape from the dogs but no chance against the poison.
I ll take the bull by the horns hear then,,
You anties come and live in the country with me for the week you think were all barbaric and thoughtless, Guess again. Afetr a day you would be begging to go home, just from the work along I have never come across a hunter whos is not just onley a hunter, but a conservationist as well. I get sick of you lot just voicing your opinions thank god its not you lot us hunters have to answer too.
How many of you eat meet ?, get your self to the slorter house and see how much more barbaric that is to hunting and shooting a deer. Your all strate to the mark when casting judgment but how many of you exactly know what your talking about,,, i wounder
come on lets have the thumbs down from you anties
To your additional comments H, you say you watched 2 hunters kill a deer at 50 yards in a enclose ranch, First of all was it british tv you saw this on and secondley you use the word ranch, which makes me think your american. I class my self as an ambaseder to my spot and any man shooting a deer at 50 yards or less with the appropriat caliber rifel is most certanly not, I know when stalking a deer the object is to get as close as you can but even 100 yards is to close for my likeing.
I asure you any experianced hunter gives the deer a chance.
Hunting to cull I think is acceptable, as long as it's done humanely. I think it's important to remember that while there are people who want to hunt, they will want to keep the animals around for hunting. Deer hunters don't want to hunt deer into extinction and they want to preserve the deers environment in a good state for the deers to breed in and them to hunt in. I don't think hunting is a bad think if it's properly controlled.
Simon D, with all due respect, if the only shooting experience you have is "beer cans with a .22" there is no way you will hit the vital area of a deer-sized animal at 800 meters, or even half that distance. Properly "calibrated" rifle or not. Most game animals are taken at ranges of 200 M or less. Only skilled and experienced shooters should take shots at longer ranges on live game.
Well "H," it may not be a 'sport' by your definition of the word, but it is a skill. If early Man had not crawled out of the caves one fine day and figured out how to use fire and tools we might not be here.
Man is relatively defenseless in the animal kingdom that he has come to rule. Man is thin-skinned, fangless and clawless. He is rather slow because he is biped. Think, how did he come to be top dog if not by mastering fire, tool-making and hunting? What do you think large predators who are old or sick prefer to hunt? You got it, Man because we are so defenseless! Trying dropping down from a tree on a mature buck deer or wild hog and take him mano-a-mano without weapons. I guarantee you that the results will not be pretty, for the man foolish enough to try this! Without weapons we are still at their mercy. Animals still have the advantage of strength, horn, fang and claw. Not to mention speed and stealth.
Today we herd domesticated animals into slaughter houses so that some people can buy their meat prepackaged without being offended by having to hunt, kill, dress and butcher their own game. I think we should stop this cruel practice and let each person fend for himself. How long can you go without steak, pork chops, fried chicken or hamburgers? Are you willing to give up wearing leather shoes, belts and accessories because they come from defenseless animals killed without sport or skill? Given this situation my family and I would survive. Would yours?
Game I hunt still have some small advantage; when I ground hunt if I miss the bang will scare it off before I can get a second shot. If it is dangerous game and I miss I can be injured or killed. Even hunting from a blind one can miss giving game the advantage of speed. One hunting season a large Bobcat tried to get into my hunting blind with me. Fortunately my flashlight scared him off and no one got hurt (including the cat). Another year a rabid coyote nearly snuck up on me. On many occasions I've come close to getting snake-bit. Hunting is not for everyone. It does take skill even though you don't consider it a sport. Like pro-ball not just anybody can play!
H
Your naive question warrants no response.
Well deer hunting is a lot more sporting than going to get a Big Mac at your fast food chain. Those of you that eat meat have no right to complain about us hunters who "murder" deer or other animals. If you eat meat you are just paying a "hit man" to kill the animal for you. A deer had a much better chance against hunters, than a cow in a slaughter house. As others mentioned hunting is not about the kill. I hunt because:
I get out and enjoy being in the woods.
Seeing all the animals out there (I saw owls, turkey, squirrels, rabbits, coyotes, countless song birds, etc.)
Providing food for me family (I fixed barbacque for my co-workers and a roast for my kids last night from a deer I killed)
Fellowship of my friends. I spent two days with two very dear friends and enjoyed hunting with them this weekend.
As far as skill, a deer has better hearing, smell, and about the same eyesight as we do. If you never have hunted one of these animals you cannot appreciate how difficult it can be to get within shooting range. And a 600 meter shot on a deer, Yeah right. If you take into your considerations the flight time of a bullet out that range, a deer can move and your "easy shot" just turned into a miss. The longest shot I have ever made on a deer is 40-50 yards.
Because hunting is enjoyable. Especially if you have woodsmanship skills. I hate the "city hunters" myself. I also prefer to use bow and arrow. More up close and personal. Besides, there are many many misses by folks more than kills. The animals taste delicious. 99% of hunters do it for the meat. So don't believe all that crap you see on TV about the "big game hunters" that just go for the rack. Most of those folks are independantly wealthy and usually only hunt on fenced in private property. I think that they are idiots most of the time. I also don't care for rifle hunting. I understand that they do need it in some states where they take long 200 or more yard shots. That is a difficult shot no matter what. I hunt in Ohio where you can only use a shotgun or bow. I prefer smaller gauge gun (20 gauge) because you don't need a cannon to kill a deer. It is all about shot placement. Nearly all of the deer I have shot have dropped right where I hit them and were probably dead before they hit the ground. I enjoy the time away from the hustle of work and life by being in the woods even if I don't get any game. Hunting is hard and luck plays a large part in it. Don't let anyone ever tell you different.
i love to look into the eyes of a big buck and drop him lol and then cut it open and gut it mmm and then eat the meat
no the bull is better equped and you well need a wepon o ya that ant fair drrrrrrrrrrrrr.i to do not like the word sport for hunting ,hunting is much more then a sport
It's a year round thing for me. In the early spring I plant food plots for the deer. Deer season is in December here.
Ditto, Slim. Don't bother to give this clown what he's looking for.
Hunting will never go away because too many dollars are spent in it by sportsmen and the gov't relies on it way to heavily. Certain animals would get out of control, where they aren't doing so already.
This dope will be the first one crying when his car gets wrecked, after hitting a deer and whining something's got to be done because there's too many out there.
Stop watching all those Disney movies, partner. The real world is not a cartoon..sorry to break it to you.
Since you obviously don't know, I cannot explain. All us alpha males love to hunt, you betas are free to hide in the city and enjoy your 5 dollar starbucks.
I am guessing you have never eaten fresh scottish venison then. try it and you may understand shooting deer
Anyone who has ever stalked a deer - Or hunted fruitlessly for day after day without seeing one has no problem understanding the sport involved in doing so. It's called sport, because sometimes you do not win.
Deer do not just walk up and stand there to be shot.
Drive through any rural area in the U.S. , And you are driving by deer. Why don't you see them, if there are so many, you ask?
They don't want to be seen. You have to HUNT for them to find them.
Shooting a deer in real life is not as easy as those unfamiliar with deer, guns and hunting may think.
Guns do not automatically hit whatever you would like them to, like they do on TV.
At 100yds., the shape and size of a deer can be neatly hidden behind a coin held in front of your face. Hitting an eight inch circle on the deers chest at this distance takes an incredible amount of skill.
Additionally, deer hunting is not about enjoying killing the deer -
It's about enjoying EATING the deer.
An adult whitetail deer will yeild sixty or more pounds of meat.
With hamburger at 1.85 a pound or more these days, That is a substantial financial consideration. Most deer hunting occurs in rural , ecconomically depressed areas, and a lot of kids might go hungry if it were not for the fact that the law allows their fathers to utilize this resource.
In areas where deer hunting has been suspended, it doesn't take long for the effects to be seen. While deer are solitary animals, they are also territorial. As population expands without hunting to limit the size of the herd, Rapidly starvation sets in. As the starving animals deplete their limited natural food supply endangering not only the newest animals, but the original population as well. Deer then begin to try to migrate to new feeding areas, and in the process, get killed by cars, hung up in fences and left to starve, and generally face fates far more miserable than a quick, clean death at the hands of a hunter.
If you assumed that deer hunting is about hanging antlers on the wall, You assumed wrong. I have no problem with the antlers on the wall - They are a symbol of a great effort comming to fruition on the part of the hunter, and a sign of respect toward an animal that was a worthy prey which may well have kept the children's bellys full one cold winter.
How can anyone eat steak, burger,bacon, sausage,chicken,turkey,veal, every seen how these defenseless animals are lined up in a slaughter house waiting to die so you can have all that? At least deer hunting, the deer have a chance, one movement,one wrong step, a sneeze, wind changes & the deer is gone, you think it's non sporting? Why dont you just go one time..dont even take a gun.see how close you'd get to killing one.
Wow... you always get the animal-tree huggers out there willing to hurt a human over a hunter hunting deer. It's the food chain thats all. And Donald Rumfeld didnt shoot his friend in the face, that was our vice pres, Dick Chaney. I know some animal lovers dont belive in hunting, my father is one, but that is his opinion, im the other way. I like to hunt and eat what I hunt. Hunting goes back to when our country was founded and the settlers had to hunt for their breakfast and dinner, there were no supermarkets or McDonalds then. Hunting IS a sport! ;)
1. I DONT think deer hunting IS a sport and I'm a hunter. 2.It easy to enjoy shooting a deer ,or moose or caribou,whatever,for food,its actually fun ,not for wimps though. 3.Fighting bull is easy,some of do it here everyday.
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