Turkish GP fine, was it too lenient or to heavy?
on the hand I think it was too lenient, on the other I think it's ok. I'm a bit biased because I am Cypriot so I wonder what others think (for those who don't know they've been fined US$5 million for their actions of the podium ceremony)
Answers:
I am sorry but for all their infractions, including bringing the neutrality of Formula 1 into disrepute, I believe the Turkish Grand Prix should not have been held for a period of time - at least one year.
After all, Jerez lost the right to hold a Grand Prix again after an incident where the mayor of the town disrupted the podium ceremonies. The people chosen to present the trophies were dependent on the race order, with Daimler-Benz chairman Jurgen Schrempp only willing to make a presentation to a McLaren-Mercedes driver. As the McLarens of Häkkinen and Coulthard passed Villeneuve's Williams on the last lap, this would have meant he could present either the trophy for first or second position or the winning constructor trophy. There was some confusion due to the late changes in position and whilst the Mayor and the president of the region presented trophies, Schrempp did nothing. FIA president Max Mosely later announced "The disruption caused embarrassment and inconvenience to those presenting the trophies and therefore, no further rounds of the FIA Formula 1 World Championship will be held at the Jerez circuit."
So if Jerez can lose its right to hold a Grand Prix permanently, why should Turkey not lose the Grand Prix for at least one race?
The fine is probably the least that the FIA could impose and still make a point. What stupidity for the Turks!!
But the situation should have been resolved 30 years ago - for 2 supposedly civilised countries and Cyprus and its people to still be fighting/arguing after so long is incomprehensible. I understand that things are relaxing - driving over the border etc, - but this kind of action can only inflame the situation again.
Back to the fine, the FIA should have withdrawn the Turkish GP from the roster to show that they cannot be used as a political pawn.
I am an armchair Formula 1 fan, I have the Highlights program for every race from early 1994 on video and the Turkish GP was so forgettable that I forgot who won let alone who disrupted the podium ceremony.
However whatever publicity these people gained will be negative, the fact that they spoiled the celebrations by a driver who drove a car for over an hour with only a few stops, and the team who built a car to last an hour, shows clearly that the protestors have lost the plot. "There is no such thing as bad Publicity" is not true, see police 5 or Rogue traders, but yes the Turks deserve the punishment. The protestors could have carried knives or thrown someone from the podium, Schumacher losing the championship to a stab wound or broken arm falling from the podium would have guaranteed huge media coverage.
I just hope the protestors dont get what they want.
Use TV yes but wny not buy Midland and put a political message all over the cars.
But the important thing is for Formula 1 fans to research the grieveance and to understand and support the opposing view.
There mustn't be a fine. I m one of the chairman of motorsportsclub. The rules say: If any countries president been there, he can give the cup.
But Tukey must be careful. Podium cerenomy is very important for FIA. They can put out the races in Turkey. They did not cuz turkish brands lobby are powerful.
This fine is the heaviest, charged to a country up to this date. However it was anticipated by Turks. The reason for this type of an action is to inform people about the real situation in Cyprus. North Cyprus Turkish Republic also needs to be introduced to world, before a fair solution can be found. With this point of view, I find Greece very offensive, trying to obstruct the realisation of peace in Cyprus.
I think it just goes to show that The FIA is now more about money than the sport. Jerez was told it will never again host an F1 race after the Mayor was allowed to gatecrash the podium ceremony a few years ago, and Turkey get fined for bringing the FIA's 'political neutrality' into disrepute.
I'm glad we still have the Turkish GP, I love the circuit, but I am becoming disillusioned with F1 as a whole - and after 20 years of watching F1 I never thought I'd say that.
What is there to say?
F1 is turning into a political monster. First this scandal, now the accusations of the championship being fixed in favour of Ferrari.
I swear that, if Schumacher had won the championship this year and kept going, I'd have stopped watching F1 on TV for a whole season.
The fine given to the Turks was deserved, for the thing they did on the podium, but this and other things prove to us that F1 is no longer about racing. It's about backstage politics.
Turkey should not have a Grand Prix. Or motorpsort at all for that matter. At the first Le Mans Series this year there was an estamated 100 people there. Our friends at Team RML said there was more cleaners than spectators. For fans of motorsport check out http://tourpodcast.googlepages.com.
While the fine was totally deserved for the stupidity of the turkish authorities at the circuit, the FIA is starting to turn all it's penalties and fines etc into a joke.
As has already been mentioned, Jerez was totally thrown out of the championship from ever hosting F1 again because some Mayor wanted to be on the podium, and now Turkey gets a $5m fine. Problem is the race was so boring and unforgettable, I'd have been none the wiser if none of this had blown up in the press.
However when you think Ferrari only got a $1m fine for a much more memorable act of bringing the sport into disrepute after fixing the result in Austria 2002 (and the fine only being for the podium irregularities), it does make you wonder about the governing of the sport, one i've watched now for 12 seasons but am slowly falling completely out of love with.
Personally I think the $5 million fine is too high, about the political aspects and all that, well Ive seen worse things concerning the sport itself, and haven't seen fines of such proportions, so IMHO they went overboard with this whole thing.. I feel a lot of peeps here talk out of resentment of some sort..that some sort that has nothing to do with F1, I have no idea why the person who asked the question had to mention being a Cypriot?? I mean you knew you were going to get all kinds of answers to begin with, when you ask a question you ask it to get the answer you want to hear/read or what people really think about? some people differ from others and I believe we have to respect people's opinions, perhaps you shouldn't ask a question with disguised political connotations, you even admit you are a "bit" biased and when someone answers something you disaprove you start calling them names.??..makes no sense. obviously my answer will be also among the undesireable ones..please dont bother calling me names as well. enough name calling already, you certainly dont need to use foul language to get your point across.
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Answers:
I am sorry but for all their infractions, including bringing the neutrality of Formula 1 into disrepute, I believe the Turkish Grand Prix should not have been held for a period of time - at least one year.
After all, Jerez lost the right to hold a Grand Prix again after an incident where the mayor of the town disrupted the podium ceremonies. The people chosen to present the trophies were dependent on the race order, with Daimler-Benz chairman Jurgen Schrempp only willing to make a presentation to a McLaren-Mercedes driver. As the McLarens of Häkkinen and Coulthard passed Villeneuve's Williams on the last lap, this would have meant he could present either the trophy for first or second position or the winning constructor trophy. There was some confusion due to the late changes in position and whilst the Mayor and the president of the region presented trophies, Schrempp did nothing. FIA president Max Mosely later announced "The disruption caused embarrassment and inconvenience to those presenting the trophies and therefore, no further rounds of the FIA Formula 1 World Championship will be held at the Jerez circuit."
So if Jerez can lose its right to hold a Grand Prix permanently, why should Turkey not lose the Grand Prix for at least one race?
The fine is probably the least that the FIA could impose and still make a point. What stupidity for the Turks!!
But the situation should have been resolved 30 years ago - for 2 supposedly civilised countries and Cyprus and its people to still be fighting/arguing after so long is incomprehensible. I understand that things are relaxing - driving over the border etc, - but this kind of action can only inflame the situation again.
Back to the fine, the FIA should have withdrawn the Turkish GP from the roster to show that they cannot be used as a political pawn.
I am an armchair Formula 1 fan, I have the Highlights program for every race from early 1994 on video and the Turkish GP was so forgettable that I forgot who won let alone who disrupted the podium ceremony.
However whatever publicity these people gained will be negative, the fact that they spoiled the celebrations by a driver who drove a car for over an hour with only a few stops, and the team who built a car to last an hour, shows clearly that the protestors have lost the plot. "There is no such thing as bad Publicity" is not true, see police 5 or Rogue traders, but yes the Turks deserve the punishment. The protestors could have carried knives or thrown someone from the podium, Schumacher losing the championship to a stab wound or broken arm falling from the podium would have guaranteed huge media coverage.
I just hope the protestors dont get what they want.
Use TV yes but wny not buy Midland and put a political message all over the cars.
But the important thing is for Formula 1 fans to research the grieveance and to understand and support the opposing view.
There mustn't be a fine. I m one of the chairman of motorsportsclub. The rules say: If any countries president been there, he can give the cup.
But Tukey must be careful. Podium cerenomy is very important for FIA. They can put out the races in Turkey. They did not cuz turkish brands lobby are powerful.
This fine is the heaviest, charged to a country up to this date. However it was anticipated by Turks. The reason for this type of an action is to inform people about the real situation in Cyprus. North Cyprus Turkish Republic also needs to be introduced to world, before a fair solution can be found. With this point of view, I find Greece very offensive, trying to obstruct the realisation of peace in Cyprus.
I think it just goes to show that The FIA is now more about money than the sport. Jerez was told it will never again host an F1 race after the Mayor was allowed to gatecrash the podium ceremony a few years ago, and Turkey get fined for bringing the FIA's 'political neutrality' into disrepute.
I'm glad we still have the Turkish GP, I love the circuit, but I am becoming disillusioned with F1 as a whole - and after 20 years of watching F1 I never thought I'd say that.
What is there to say?
F1 is turning into a political monster. First this scandal, now the accusations of the championship being fixed in favour of Ferrari.
I swear that, if Schumacher had won the championship this year and kept going, I'd have stopped watching F1 on TV for a whole season.
The fine given to the Turks was deserved, for the thing they did on the podium, but this and other things prove to us that F1 is no longer about racing. It's about backstage politics.
Turkey should not have a Grand Prix. Or motorpsort at all for that matter. At the first Le Mans Series this year there was an estamated 100 people there. Our friends at Team RML said there was more cleaners than spectators. For fans of motorsport check out http://tourpodcast.googlepages.com.
While the fine was totally deserved for the stupidity of the turkish authorities at the circuit, the FIA is starting to turn all it's penalties and fines etc into a joke.
As has already been mentioned, Jerez was totally thrown out of the championship from ever hosting F1 again because some Mayor wanted to be on the podium, and now Turkey gets a $5m fine. Problem is the race was so boring and unforgettable, I'd have been none the wiser if none of this had blown up in the press.
However when you think Ferrari only got a $1m fine for a much more memorable act of bringing the sport into disrepute after fixing the result in Austria 2002 (and the fine only being for the podium irregularities), it does make you wonder about the governing of the sport, one i've watched now for 12 seasons but am slowly falling completely out of love with.
Personally I think the $5 million fine is too high, about the political aspects and all that, well Ive seen worse things concerning the sport itself, and haven't seen fines of such proportions, so IMHO they went overboard with this whole thing.. I feel a lot of peeps here talk out of resentment of some sort..that some sort that has nothing to do with F1, I have no idea why the person who asked the question had to mention being a Cypriot?? I mean you knew you were going to get all kinds of answers to begin with, when you ask a question you ask it to get the answer you want to hear/read or what people really think about? some people differ from others and I believe we have to respect people's opinions, perhaps you shouldn't ask a question with disguised political connotations, you even admit you are a "bit" biased and when someone answers something you disaprove you start calling them names.??..makes no sense. obviously my answer will be also among the undesireable ones..please dont bother calling me names as well. enough name calling already, you certainly dont need to use foul language to get your point across.
Cheers
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